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Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes
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Jim Mason
2006-06-19 15:45:41 UTC
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Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes

BAA Press Release 19/06/06

19 June 2006

? Flyglobespan launch first low-cost scheduled flights from Stansted to
Athens
? Atlantic Airways eagerly awaited direct link between London and Shetland
Isles
? Albania?s national carrier launches first direct services to UK via
Stansted

A recent report has revealed Stansted offers more scheduled flight
connections throughout Europe than any other airport in the world. This
month over 140 scheduled destinations will be served, across more than 30
countries, operated by 25 scheduled airlines.

Commenting on Stansted?s expanding route network, Nick Barton - Business
Development and Planning Director said:

?At Stansted, we are committed to working very closely with our airline
partners to maintain and develop the scope and range of travel
opportunities available to both business and leisure passengers from the
airport.

?I?m delighted this approach now sees Stansted offering more scheduled
destinations in Europe than any other airport in the world.

?Our route network continues to expand at great pace, and this week alone
Flyglobespan will launch the first scheduled low-cost services from
Stansted to Greece; Atlantic Airways will give Shetland Islanders their
first direct link to the capital via Stansted; and Albania?s national
carrier - Albanian Airlines ? selected Stansted as the airport of choice
from which to start their first link to the United Kingdom.?

Flyglobespan have been operating in the Scottish market for many years and
already operate direct flights to Tenerife from Stansted. Speaking in
advance of the launch of its new low-cost connection from Stansted to
Athens this Friday (23 June) Tom Dalrymple, Flyglobespan Chairman, said:

?Greece is a relatively new market for low-cost airlines operating out of
the UK, but we?ve already had great success with this link out of Glasgow
and advanced bookings show the connection is going to be just as popular
from London.

?A daily service is a big challenge but we feel this gives passengers much
more flexibility at very competitive prices and we?re looking forward to
growing our business from Stansted.?

Albanian Airlines launched their first direct services between the Albanian
Capital Tirana and London Stansted Airport yesterday (18 June), Commercial
Manager Genci Resuli commented:

?Launching our first direct link between Tirana and London was a day of
great significance for us as Albania?s national carrier. This is a route we
have worked very closely with Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to
achieve for the past three years.

?We feel certain that direct connections between Albania and the United
Kingdom will become extremely important in the years to come; and we are
confident this new service will be very popular with both business and
leisure travellers.

The third new service to arrive at Stansted this week will be the first
direct connection to the Shetland Isles, previously only been accessible by
complex air and ferry crossings.

?Excitement is growing as we near the launch date for this first ever
direct link from Shetland
to London," said Atlantic Airways Sales & Marketing Director, Kent
Christensen

?When we announced our intention to start this new route last November it
provoked huge interest and this helped us to commit to extending our
operation by two months to the end of October. We have sold close to 90 per
cent of our seats in June and, with July flights already 75 per cent full,
this is very encouraging.

?This will not only be an important link for the Shetland economy ? it will
also be a great boost for inbound tourism at a time when there's huge
interest in Shetland because of the BBC's live daily coverage on its
Springwatch programme."

Media enquiries

Notes to Editors:
An independent report run by Innovata (specialists in the management of
airline
schedule data) identified that London Stansted offered more scheduled
European
connections during May 2006 than any other airport in the world. Top ten
for May
2006 were as follows:

Airport Number of European schedules Destinations (May
2006)

Stansted 137*
Amsterdam 136
Dublin 123
Franfurt 123
Munich 122
Gatwick 117
Paris 111
Manchester 109
Viena 105
Barcelona 102

*For June 2006 there are a total of 147 scheduled destinations from London
Stansted

Passengers arriving into London Stansted can quickly reference onward
connection opportunities by visiting www.stanstedairport.com/changingplanes

Flyglobespan will operate daily flights to Athens starting 23rd June 2006
- Outbound flights depart Stansted 18:10
- Inbound flights arrive Stansted 07:30
- competitive lead-in fare of £70 one-way including tax
- for further information visit www.flyglobespan.com or telephone 08705
561522

Atlantic Airways will operate twice weekly flights to Sumburgh starting
23rd June 2006
- Outbound flights depart Stansted 17:55 (Mondays) and 13:15 (Fridays)
- Inbound flights arrive Stansted 17:10 (Mondays) and 12:15 (Fridays)
- Flight time of 1 hour 40 mins
- Lead-in fares start from £156 return including tax
- For further information visit www.flyshetland.com or Tel 020 7823 4242

Albanian Airlines launched four times weekly flights to Tirana on 18th June
2006
- Outbound flights depart Stansted TUE / FRI 16:45 arrive Tirana 21:00
WED / SUN 09:45 arrive Tirana 14:00
- Inbound flights depart Tirana TUE / FRI 13:30 arrive Stansted 15:50
WED / SUN 06:30 arrive Stansted 08:50
- Flight time of 3hours 15 minutes
- Lead in fares start from just £98 return excluding tax.
- For further information visit www.albanianairlines.com.al
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tamthehun
2006-06-19 16:37:00 UTC
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561522
Atlantic Airways will operate twice weekly flights to Sumburgh starting
23rd June 2006
- Outbound flights depart Stansted 17:55 (Mondays) and 13:15 (Fridays)
- Inbound flights arrive Stansted 17:10 (Mondays) and 12:15 (Fridays)
- Flight time of 1 hour 40 mins
- Lead-in fares start from £156 return including tax
- For further information visit www.flyshetland.com or Tel 020 7823 4242
i GUESS IT WILL BE CHEAPER TO FLY TO sTANSTED AND THEN UP TO sHETLAND,
THAN IT IS FLYING gLASGOW TO sHETLAND VIA ba.


tOM
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-19 16:46:41 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Airport Number of European schedules Destinations (May
2006)
Stansted 137*
Amsterdam 136
Dublin 123
Franfurt 123
Munich 122
Gatwick 117
Paris 111
Manchester 109
Viena 105
Barcelona 102
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
GLAGAZ
2006-06-19 16:51:00 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Airport Number of European schedules Destinations (May
2006)
Stansted 137*
Amsterdam 136
Dublin 123
Franfurt 123
Munich 122
Gatwick 117
Paris 111
Manchester 109
Viena 105
Barcelona 102
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
Well I think GLA has more than 50, but not much more. So quite far down
the list.

Gaz
Kingfisher
2006-06-19 16:58:57 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by Jim Mason
Airport Number of European schedules Destinations (May
2006)
Stansted 137*
Amsterdam 136
Dublin 123
Franfurt 123
Munich 122
Gatwick 117
Paris 111
Manchester 109
Viena 105
Barcelona 102
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
Well I think GLA has more than 50, but not much more. So quite far down
the list.
Gaz
Gavin Coates
2006-06-19 17:40:43 UTC
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I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
A couple of places lower than EDI :P
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-19 17:50:32 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
A couple of places lower than EDI :P
Not so sure about that, GLA has alot of holiday scheduled destinations
like Paphos, Larnaca, Funchal etc that EDI does not have.
GLAGAZ
2006-06-19 18:01:49 UTC
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Post by Gavin Coates
Post by Andrew Scotland
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
A couple of places lower than EDI :P
Not so sure about that, GLA has alot of holiday scheduled destinations
like Paphos, Larnaca, Funchal etc that EDI does not have.
EDI I think has over 60.

Gaz
tamthehun
2006-06-19 21:30:33 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by Gavin Coates
Post by Andrew Scotland
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
A couple of places lower than EDI :P
Not so sure about that, GLA has alot of holiday scheduled destinations
like Paphos, Larnaca, Funchal etc that EDI does not have.
EDI I think has over 60.
Gaz
Just as a snapsho it' be worth comparing Glasgow Between Midnight and
0745 tomorrow and EDinburgh during the same period.

Tam the hun
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-19 21:42:06 UTC
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Post by GLAGAZ
Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by Gavin Coates
Post by Andrew Scotland
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
A couple of places lower than EDI :P
Not so sure about that, GLA has alot of holiday scheduled destinations
like Paphos, Larnaca, Funchal etc that EDI does not have.
EDI I think has over 60.
Gaz
Just as a snapsho it' be worth comparing Glasgow Between Midnight and
0745 tomorrow and EDinburgh during the same period.
Tam the hun
Confirming that GLA is the international gateway to Scotland and EDI is
just a domestic airport with a few international flights?
GLAGAZ
2006-06-19 22:01:04 UTC
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Post by tamthehun
Post by GLAGAZ
Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by Gavin Coates
Post by Andrew Scotland
I wonder how far down that list GLA would be? :S
A couple of places lower than EDI :P
Not so sure about that, GLA has alot of holiday scheduled destinations
like Paphos, Larnaca, Funchal etc that EDI does not have.
EDI I think has over 60.
Gaz
Just as a snapsho it' be worth comparing Glasgow Between Midnight and
0745 tomorrow and EDinburgh during the same period.
Tam the hun
Confirming that GLA is the international gateway to Scotland and EDI is
just a domestic airport with a few international flights?
???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
goes:

-----------------------------------------------------------GLA
Departures = 25

05:30 FUA305G PALMA
05:55 KL1470 AMSTERDAM
06:00 GSM111 MALAGA
06:00 GSM125 ALICANTE
06:00 GSM291 PULA
06:05 BA1473 HEATHROW
06:15 BA2953 GATWICK
06:15 EZY066 LONDON LUTON
06:25 EZY206 STANSTED
06:30 BD001 HEATHROW
06:35 MYT941 MALTA
06:45 BA1802 BIRMINGHAM AND PARIS CDG
06:45 BA1839 MANCHESTER
06:55 BA8821 STORNOWAY
07:00 BA4017 BRISTOL
07:00 BD390 MANCHESTER
07:00 BE883 SOUTHAMPTON
07:00 EZY462 BELFAST INTL
07:00 TCX404K HERAKLION
07:00 XLA8002 HERAKLION
07:10 GSM661 TENERIFE
07:15 BE817 BIRMINGHAM
07:30 BA1475 HEATHROW
07:40 TOM4147 GERONA
07:45 TOM1467 ALICANTE

--------------------------------------------------------------- EDI
Departures = 25

05:55 KL1276 AMSTERDAM
06:10 EZY014 LONDON LUTON
06:20 BA2931 GATWICK
06:20 EZY228 STANSTED
06:30 BA8701 LONDON CITY
06:30 BD051 HEATHROW
06:30 GSM451 NICE
06:35 BA1433 HEATHROW
06:40 BA1821 BIRMINGHAM
06:45 BA4031 BRISTOL
06:45 BE279 BIRMINGHAM
06:50 LH4945 FRANKFURT
06:55 BA7931 PARIS CDG
06:55 CB720 LONDON CITY
07:00 BA1859 MANCHESTER
07:00 BD380 MANCHESTER
07:00 BD627 BRUSSELS NAT'L
07:00 BE761 SOUTHAMPTON
07:00 EZY484 BELFAST INTL
07:00 GSM323 ALICANTE
07:05 BD601 COPENHAGEN
07:05 OK669 PRAGUE
07:10 BE682 BELFAST CITY
07:25 BA1435 HEATHROW
07:30 BA8711 LONDON CITY

--------------------------------------------------------------------GLA
Arrivals = 13

00:50 GSM456 IBIZA EXPECTED 0059
01:15 XLA817V LAS PALMAS EXPECTED 0104
02:35 TOM3198 DALAMAN EXPECTED 0541
02:45 TCX114L LAS PALMAS
03:25 FCA749 BOURGAS
04:25 MYT992 LAS PALMAS
05:20 MON5825 BOURGAS
05:25 TCX083L DALAMAN
05:25 TOM6194 LAS PALMAS
07:30 CO016 NEWARK NYC
07:30 GSM726 ORLANDO SFB
07:45 BE125 BELFAST CITY
07:45 MYT016 CANCUN

-----------------------------------------------------------------EDI
Arrivals = 3

07:35 FR812 DUBLIN
07:40 CO036 NEWARK NYC
07:45 LS782 MANCHESTER

So GLA wins this round, but come Winter the roles will be reversed
again probably. But as many others have stated, who really cares?

Gaz
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-19 22:13:19 UTC
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???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
GLAGAZ
2006-06-19 22:17:12 UTC
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Post by GLAGAZ
???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
I highly doubt that. PIK handles what? 2.5 million pax or something?
EDI handles over 8.5 million. But someone else can count the flights
cos I really can't be arsed.

Gaz
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-19 22:19:34 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by GLAGAZ
???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
I highly doubt that. PIK handles what? 2.5 million pax or something?
EDI handles over 8.5 million. But someone else can count the flights
cos I really can't be arsed.
Gaz
What percent of EDI's pax are domestic and what percent of PIK's are
domestic. Thats the diffrence PIK is around 2m scheduled Euro pax. EDI
is largly domestic flights.
Exasperated
2006-06-19 22:46:01 UTC
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Post by GLAGAZ
Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by GLAGAZ
???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
I highly doubt that. PIK handles what? 2.5 million pax or something?
EDI handles over 8.5 million. But someone else can count the flights
cos I really can't be arsed.
Gaz
What percent of EDI's pax are domestic and what percent of PIK's are
domestic. Thats the diffrence PIK is around 2m scheduled Euro pax. EDI
is largly domestic flights.
Not even close

April 2006 - last available figures (provisional)

International scheduled

EDI - 205194
PIK - 146918
GLA - 169374
ABZ - 66363

International charter

EDI - 13342
PIK - 12287
GLA - 99147
ABZ - 2459

Ex

Source CAA
Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:34:10 UTC
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Post by Exasperated
Not even close
EDI - 205194
GLA - 169374
EDI - 13342
GLA - 99147
lol...
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Mike
2006-06-19 23:08:43 UTC
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Post by GLAGAZ
Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by GLAGAZ
???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
I highly doubt that. PIK handles what? 2.5 million pax or something?
EDI handles over 8.5 million. But someone else can count the flights
cos I really can't be arsed.
Gaz
What percent of EDI's pax are domestic and what percent of PIK's are
domestic. Thats the diffrence PIK is around 2m scheduled Euro pax. EDI
is largly domestic flights.
I looked at International Flights only. Upto around 11:00 what ever was
on the arrivals and departures on the BAA site. I counted only direct
services. Suppose it's bollocks as you would really have to cover the
entire day. Everyday and all year.

ARRIVALS
GLA 19, from 12 Locations, Sched 9, Chart 10.
EDI 7, from 6 Locations, Sched 7, Chart 0.

DEPARTURES
GLA 23, to 17 Locations, Sched 13, Chart 10,
EDI 16, to 13 Locations, Sched 16, Chart 0,

Don't suppose you can read too much into such a small sample. I would
like to see where the paxs were originating from on the schedule
flights. With further break down on business and pleasure. (Local or
Foreign)

There is no doubt GLA has a much higher number of Scots leisure paxs. I
would like to see numbers for inward leisure paxs to both airports but
more so EDI which I suspect will be a significant number.

I wonder if EDI scheduled flights are more successful/numerous as
Edinburgh would be a more obvious tourist destination than Glasgow.

Is GLA the outbound tourist airport and EDI the inbound tourist
airport?

Mike
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-19 23:13:07 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by GLAGAZ
Post by Andrew Scotland
Post by GLAGAZ
???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
I highly doubt that. PIK handles what? 2.5 million pax or something?
EDI handles over 8.5 million. But someone else can count the flights
cos I really can't be arsed.
Gaz
What percent of EDI's pax are domestic and what percent of PIK's are
domestic. Thats the diffrence PIK is around 2m scheduled Euro pax. EDI
is largly domestic flights.
I looked at International Flights only. Upto around 11:00 what ever was
on the arrivals and departures on the BAA site. I counted only direct
services. Suppose it's bollocks as you would really have to cover the
entire day. Everyday and all year.
ARRIVALS
GLA 19, from 12 Locations, Sched 9, Chart 10.
EDI 7, from 6 Locations, Sched 7, Chart 0.
DEPARTURES
GLA 23, to 17 Locations, Sched 13, Chart 10,
EDI 16, to 13 Locations, Sched 16, Chart 0,
Don't suppose you can read too much into such a small sample. I would
like to see where the paxs were originating from on the schedule
flights. With further break down on business and pleasure. (Local or
Foreign)
There is no doubt GLA has a much higher number of Scots leisure paxs. I
would like to see numbers for inward leisure paxs to both airports but
more so EDI which I suspect will be a significant number.
I wonder if EDI scheduled flights are more successful/numerous as
Edinburgh would be a more obvious tourist destination than Glasgow.
Is GLA the outbound tourist airport and EDI the inbound tourist
airport?
Mike
I belive Glasgow Prestwick has more inbound tourists than any other
airport in Scotland. Tourism in Glasgow is booming have a look here
www.seeglasgow.com and
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5047678.html
Mike
2006-06-19 23:37:23 UTC
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I belive Glasgow Prestwick has more inbound tourists than any other
airport in Scotland. Tourism in Glasgow is booming have a look here
www.seeglasgow.com and
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5047678.html
Been a while since I've been through to Edinburgh. However, when there,
I always hear loads of foreign accents, as many as locals in some
cases.

I always wondered how they got there.

Now I know, I guess they fly to PIK and take the train!!

Mike
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-19 23:39:21 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
I belive Glasgow Prestwick has more inbound tourists than any other
airport in Scotland. Tourism in Glasgow is booming have a look here
www.seeglasgow.com and
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5047678.html
Been a while since I've been through to Edinburgh. However, when there,
I always hear loads of foreign accents, as many as locals in some
cases.
I always wondered how they got there.
Now I know, I guess they fly to PIK and take the train!!
Mike
Via some time in Glasgow. Glasgow now the place to be in Scotland :)
Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:48:51 UTC
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Via some time in Glasgow. Glasgow now the place to be in Scotland :)
Is that why the population is falling? :(
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Jim Mason
2006-06-19 23:51:06 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
I belive Glasgow Prestwick has more inbound tourists than any other
airport in Scotland. Tourism in Glasgow is booming have a look here
www.seeglasgow.com and
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5047678.html
Been a while since I've been through to Edinburgh. However, when there,
I always hear loads of foreign accents, as many as locals in some
cases.
I always wondered how they got there.
Now I know, I guess they fly to PIK and take the train!!
Glasgow has captured a huge amount of leisure passengers who might not be
regarded as `tourists` in the traditional sense. Ryanair at PIK have been
instrumental in making sure the Glasgow hotel occupancy - especially at the
weekends - is booming. I have no doubt many of these weekend breakers may
well venture further to the likes of Stirling, Falkirk and Edinburgh - but
their first city of contact is Glasgow and most seem to choose to reside
there.

Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?

Jim
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2006-06-20 00:15:55 UTC
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Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.

Mike
Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:51:34 UTC
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However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
Given Edinburgh's attractions? They get there anyway they can. :-)
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Damian
2006-06-20 07:17:08 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of them don't arrive by air at all -
road, rail and sea are also options for visiting tourists.

There seems to be a lot of speculation about where foreign tourists go
and where they stay after arriving into PIK, but none of it based on
fact. I would like to see some valid research into this.
Jim Mason
2006-06-20 10:34:44 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of them don't arrive by air at all -
road, rail and sea are also options for visiting tourists.
There seems to be a lot of speculation about where foreign tourists go
and where they stay after arriving into PIK, but none of it based on
fact. I would like to see some valid research into this.
The speculation of where they travel to by rail isn't based on speculation
- it is based on facts and figures. 29% of PIK's passengers arrive and
depart by rail. Based on PIK's 2005 passenger numbers 365346 had Glasgow
City centre as their final destination, 60891 had Edinburgh as their
destination.

It is not detailed how many of these passengers are tourists as such.

Source - Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan

Jim
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2006-06-20 11:27:48 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of them don't arrive by air at all -
road, rail and sea are also options for visiting tourists.
There seems to be a lot of speculation about where foreign tourists go
and where they stay after arriving into PIK, but none of it based on
fact. I would like to see some valid research into this.
The speculation of where they travel to by rail isn't based on speculation
- it is based on facts and figures. 29% of PIK's passengers arrive and
depart by rail. Based on PIK's 2005 passenger numbers 365346 had Glasgow
City centre as their final destination, 60891 had Edinburgh as their
destination.
It is not detailed how many of these passengers are tourists as such.
Source - Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan
Indeed, nice bit of reserach there.

It would also be interesting to know what percentage of tourists travel
by bus or hire a car for their onward surface journeys.
Jim Mason
2006-06-20 11:32:49 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Post by Damian
Post by Mike
Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of them don't arrive by air at all -
road, rail and sea are also options for visiting tourists.
There seems to be a lot of speculation about where foreign tourists go
and where they stay after arriving into PIK, but none of it based on
fact. I would like to see some valid research into this.
The speculation of where they travel to by rail isn't based on speculation
- it is based on facts and figures. 29% of PIK's passengers arrive and
depart by rail. Based on PIK's 2005 passenger numbers 365346 had Glasgow
City centre as their final destination, 60891 had Edinburgh as their
destination.
It is not detailed how many of these passengers are tourists as such.
Source - Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan
Indeed, nice bit of reserach there.
It would also be interesting to know what percentage of tourists travel
by bus or hire a car for their onward surface journeys.
I am sure that info will be contained somewhere the structure plan.

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Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek earlier. (Not my buttocks, my face).
However there are a large number of tourists in Edinburgh. How do they
get there if they don't use locos or PIK?
GNER, Continental, BA, Virgin, BMI, Delta and of course the lo-co's?
Post by Mike
KLM, AF, LH, ? I don't know. However it would be interesting to find
out.
The information is out there if you know where to look as was demonstrated
when PIK quite kindly provided details of the origin of their outbound
passengers in Scotland. Whether or not you or I or anyone else could be
arsed finding out is another matter.

Hope the waves don't bite too much!

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I have no doubt many of these weekend breakers may
well venture further to the likes of Stirling, Falkirk and Edinburgh - but
their first city of contact is Glasgow and most seem to choose to reside
there.
Edinburgh's population is rising and Glasgow's is falling..?
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2006-06-20 07:24:00 UTC
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Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.

I have to say I disagree with regard to the PIK-Edinburgh rail journey
being "restrictive". Indeed the free rail travel option is arguably
quite an incentive, and anecdotally I know of visitors to Edinburgh who
have used Prestwick without considering it to be a nuisance option.
Equally, I know of Edinburghers who wouldn't hesitate to use Prestwick
to access cheap flights (and who regularly choose to access it by
rail).

We also shouldn't forget that the Scottish tourist market is more than
just Edinburgh and Glasgow - foreign visitors use Prestwick to access
points throughout Scotland. Prestwick has always advertised itself as
"Scotland's airport" (cheekily, in some people's view) but I admire
them for making it clear that they consider the whole of Scotland as
their market. PIK management don't appear interested in being an
airport which only exists to serve Glasgow and the west, and good on
them for it.
Jim Mason
2006-06-20 10:26:21 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.
Yes they do. The last documented information was as follows

Rail passengers travelling to and from GPIA:-

Glasgow City Centre - 66%
Edinburgh 11%
Renfrewshire 6%
Stirling 2%
Aberdeen 2%
Rest of UK 18%

Source Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan.

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2006-06-20 11:23:29 UTC
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Post by Damian
Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.
Yes they do. The last documented information was as follows
Rail passengers travelling to and from GPIA:-
Glasgow City Centre - 66%
Edinburgh 11%
Renfrewshire 6%
Stirling 2%
Aberdeen 2%
Rest of UK 18%
Source Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan.
Aha, good find, Jim :-)
Jim Mason
2006-06-20 21:58:34 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Post by Damian
Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.
Yes they do. The last documented information was as follows
Rail passengers travelling to and from GPIA:-
Glasgow City Centre - 66%
Edinburgh 11%
Renfrewshire 6%
Stirling 2%
Aberdeen 2%
Rest of UK 18%
Source Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan.
Aha, good find, Jim :-)
Also some interesting facts from the same source

5 The market for commuter travel between Ayrshire and Edinburgh and vice
versa is currently very small. The rail market at Glasgow Prestwick
International Airport (GPIA) generated by Edinburgh is more substantial and
is expected to grow along with terminal patronage at the Airport. However,
it is unlikely to be sufficient on its own to justify the introduction of a
direct service. Tables showing the existing market for travel to and from
Edinburgh by commuters and passengers utilising GPIA are shown in Figures 2
to 4 in Appendix A.

Two day survey of passengers to GPIA Railway Station

To Edinburgh In Total % of Total
Outward journeys from GPIA 82 980 8.4%
From Edinburgh In Total % of Total
Inward journeys to GPIA 65 938 6.9%

Source: Rail Passenger Committee Scotland
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2006-06-20 22:01:59 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
Post by Damian
Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.
Yes they do. The last documented information was as follows
Rail passengers travelling to and from GPIA:-
Glasgow City Centre - 66%
Edinburgh 11%
Renfrewshire 6%
Stirling 2%
Aberdeen 2%
Rest of UK 18%
Source Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan.
Aha, good find, Jim :-)
Also some interesting facts from the same source
5 The market for commuter travel between Ayrshire and Edinburgh and vice
versa is currently very small. The rail market at Glasgow Prestwick
International Airport (GPIA) generated by Edinburgh is more substantial and
is expected to grow along with terminal patronage at the Airport. However,
it is unlikely to be sufficient on its own to justify the introduction of a
direct service. Tables showing the existing market for travel to and from
Edinburgh by commuters and passengers utilising GPIA are shown in Figures 2
to 4 in Appendix A.
Two day survey of passengers to GPIA Railway Station
To Edinburgh In Total % of Total
Outward journeys from GPIA 82 980 8.4%
From Edinburgh In Total % of Total
Inward journeys to GPIA 65 938 6.9%
Source: Rail Passenger Committee Scotland
Yes, it does seem GLA 'suffers' from the "PIK effect."

B
Joe Curry
2006-06-21 06:55:03 UTC
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Two day survey of passengers to GPIA Railway Station
The start and end of The Glasgow Holidays?
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2006-06-20 11:36:32 UTC
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Post by Damian
Post by Jim Mason
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
What is Edinburgh's current share? Nobody really knows.
Yes they do. The last documented information was as follows
Rail passengers travelling to and from GPIA:-
Glasgow City Centre - 66%
Edinburgh 11%
Renfrewshire 6%
Stirling 2%
Aberdeen 2%
Rest of UK 18%
Source Ayrshire Joint Structure Plan.
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From todays FlyBe email.
If you're after a little culture, we've plenty to choose from, with
trips to some of Europe's most exciting cities. You could spend a
happy weekend shopping in the markets of Salzburg, visiting galleries
in Glasgow or just soaking up the atmosphere in Dublin. So don't hang
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Damian
2006-06-20 11:40:39 UTC
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If you're after a little culture, we've plenty to choose from, with
trips to some of Europe's most exciting cities. You could spend a
happy weekend shopping in the markets of Salzburg, visiting galleries
in Glasgow or just soaking up the atmosphere in Dublin. So don't hang
around, dig out your guidebooks and get planning now.
Er ... right-ho :-)
paris
2006-06-20 10:33:49 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Andrew Scotland
I belive Glasgow Prestwick has more inbound tourists than any other
airport in Scotland. Tourism in Glasgow is booming have a look here
www.seeglasgow.com and
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5047678.html
Been a while since I've been through to Edinburgh. However, when there,
I always hear loads of foreign accents, as many as locals in some
cases.
I always wondered how they got there.
Now I know, I guess they fly to PIK and take the train!!
Glasgow has captured a huge amount of leisure passengers who might not be
regarded as `tourists` in the traditional sense. Ryanair at PIK have been
instrumental in making sure the Glasgow hotel occupancy - especially at the
weekends - is booming. I have no doubt many of these weekend breakers may
well venture further to the likes of Stirling, Falkirk and Edinburgh - but
their first city of contact is Glasgow and most seem to choose to reside
there.
Obviously this works in reverse with many weekend breakers travelling to
Edinburgh may well venture elsewhere - but EDI at present does not have lo-
co flights that can accomodate the numbers from various destinations that
PIK presently can. The rail journey from PIK to Edinburgh at present would
be too restrictive for anyone on a short break. Perhaps once Crossrail is
implemented and direct services between PIK and the Edinburgh halts are in
place then Edinburgh might well get a bigger share of the PIK traffic from
inbound PIK lo-co passengers?
Jim
Could be that PIK may disappear as a passenger airport in the short/med
term years to come? If indeed a new owner buys GLA? An obvious target
must be FR traffic. 2million+ passengers, is not to be snubbed at. Lets
face it, given the landing slots at attractive prices are what MOL is
striving for and GLA would be iceing on his cake. He already knows the
markets there and it'll be bigger from the countries main airport. The
rail link will be in place also.
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2006-06-20 11:37:54 UTC
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Could be that PIK may disappear as a passenger airport in the short/med
term years to come? If indeed a new owner buys GLA? An obvious target
must be FR traffic. 2million+ passengers, is not to be snubbed at. Lets
face it, given the landing slots at attractive prices are what MOL is
striving for and GLA would be iceing on his cake. He already knows the
markets there and it'll be bigger from the countries main airport. The
rail link will be in place also.
The thing is, O'leary doesn't see Prestwick as a disadvantage, he sees
it very much as a position of strength for him in Scotland. There is no
way that PIK is going to disappear as a passenger airport, and even
under new owners I cannot see Ryanair dropping it for GLA or EDI. He's
on to too much of a good thing there.

GLA isn't a low cost airport, it is an expensive airport to operate
(and to operate from), and all that promised investment in new routes
and new terminal/airfield facilities would go right down the pan if any
new bosses sold their soul to Ryanair. FR is popularly blamed for lack
of progress in developing new scheduled Euro routes from GLA. How much
more effective would FR be in killing off any competition if he was
flying right on its doorstep? I can't imagine anyone could see it in
GLA's interest to become a one-airline airport - if they do a deal with
FR, how long before GLA's existing clients (BA, EZY, bmi, Globespan
etc.) demand a similar deal? Then where will the profits go??

I think what Prestwick and Ryanair are doing is great. What they offer
Scots and tourists coming to Scotland is a fantastic product, but it's
a model that just wouldn't work anywhere else - least of all BAA's
Scottish airports.
Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:48:08 UTC
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Post by Mike
Been a while since I've been through to Edinburgh. However, when there,
I always hear loads of foreign accents, as many as locals in some
cases.
I always wondered how they got there.
Now I know, I guess they fly to PIK and take the train!!
Of course..perhap they should not be inconvenienced and allowed to fly
into Edinburgh direct?
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Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:46:26 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
I belive Glasgow Prestwick has more inbound tourists than any other
airport in Scotland.
Excuse me over 50% are going to/from Edinburgh, would they fly PIK if
they had services to EDI?

Mohammad/Mountain?
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2006-06-19 23:15:38 UTC
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Is GLA the outbound tourist airport and EDI the inbound tourist
airport?
PIK could well make the claim of the inbound tourist airport (at the
weekend at least).

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2006-06-20 06:52:25 UTC
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Post by Jim Mason
PIK could well make the claim of the inbound tourist airport (at the
weekend at least).
A little proof might re-inforce your claim?
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Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:44:21 UTC
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There is no doubt GLA has a much higher number of Scots leisure paxs. I
would like to see numbers for inward leisure paxs to both airports but
more so EDI which I suspect will be a significant number.
High Street Travel trade is geared toward packages/charter flights
that are predominantly only available in the west.

This is now changing as packages/charter flights are drifting away
from the High Street and onto the Internet.

Folk now have a choice of non-High Street travel trade carriers
offering flights and diy packages from EDI.

The long haul charter element is still missing but EDI's potential for
attracting such traffic will come on in leaps and bounds once EDI's
infrastructure and facilities are improved to attract bigger aircraft.

A change of ownership away from the current 'tied' status will help
enormously for EDI to escape it's current limitations.
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Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:31:16 UTC
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What percent of EDI's pax are domestic and what percent of PIK's are
domestic. Thats the diffrence PIK is around 2m scheduled Euro pax. EDI
is largly domestic flights.
Does anyone care? Please post EDI relevant material here, do not
crosspost to/from off-topic newsgroups.
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2006-06-20 06:29:50 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
I highly doubt that. PIK handles what? 2.5 million pax or something?
EDI handles over 8.5 million. But someone else can count the flights
cos I really can't be arsed.
No body can..why and how has this turned into
bigger/better/bragging/boasting? Crossposting?
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2006-06-20 06:28:15 UTC
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Post by GLAGAZ
???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces. But anyway, here
Nah Glasgow Prestiwick takes top spot their.
Oh dear.. can we include ABZ and INV along with EDI's totals?
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2006-06-20 06:26:56 UTC
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???? GLA may have more flights worldwide, but EDI is certainly the
"gateway" airport for scheduled European serivces.
At the moment, but come new ownership, EDI will undoubtably be wanting
to attract the long haul charter and scheduled passengers that
currently pass it's front door due no competiting flights at EDI?
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Damian
2006-06-20 07:08:55 UTC
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So GLA wins this round, but come Winter the roles will be reversed
again probably. But as many others have stated, who really cares?
EDI locals get a better night's sleep, then? :-)
tamthehun
2006-06-20 18:30:19 UTC
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Post by GLAGAZ
So GLA wins this round, but come Winter the roles will be reversed
again probably. But as many others have stated, who really cares?
EDI locals get a better night's sleep, then? :-)
I think most of Edinburgh's foreign tongues arrive BY BUS FROM GLASGOW

mind you it is a bit embarrassing why Mr Le Guen arrived at EDI and not
GLA due to the shortage of flights from Paris. I guess people fly to
Edinburgh simply because they know its the Capital and expect more they
dont realise Glasgow is 5 times bigger. Edinburgh is the Scottish
bagpipes and shortbread Capital!

Donning my flame proof vest! Oh, I'm off to Germany on Thursday -
Sleazyjet to Stansted then O'Learyair to Friedrichshaven.........trip
report on return.....

Tam the hun
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-20 19:50:26 UTC
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Post by Damian
Post by GLAGAZ
So GLA wins this round, but come Winter the roles will be reversed
again probably. But as many others have stated, who really cares?
EDI locals get a better night's sleep, then? :-)
I think most of Edinburgh's foreign tongues arrive BY BUS FROM GLASGOW
mind you it is a bit embarrassing why Mr Le Guen arrived at EDI and not
GLA due to the shortage of flights from Paris. I guess people fly to
Edinburgh simply because they know its the Capital and expect more they
dont realise Glasgow is 5 times bigger. Edinburgh is the Scottish
bagpipes and shortbread Capital!
Donning my flame proof vest! Oh, I'm off to Germany on Thursday -
Sleazyjet to Stansted then O'Learyair to Friedrichshaven.........trip
report on return.....
Tam the hun
Pictures today shows him arriving at GLA on sky sports news, and i got
a google email alert for "Glasgow airport" but it was just saying Le
Goon had arrived into Glasgow airport bla bla bla.
Joe Curry
2006-06-21 06:56:01 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Pictures today shows him arriving at GLA on sky sports news, and i got
a google email alert for "Glasgow airport" but it was just saying Le
Goon had arrived into Glasgow airport bla bla bla.
They tracked your movements?
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2006-06-21 07:24:22 UTC
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I think most of Edinburgh's foreign tongues arrive BY BUS FROM GLASGOW
I doubt it.
Post by tamthehun
mind you it is a bit embarrassing why Mr Le Guen arrived at EDI and not
GLA due to the shortage of flights from Paris.
Embarassing for GLA perhaps, but then Paris flights have been tried in
the past. EDI has an established market. I doubt Mr Le Guen was
bothered one way or the other - he was flying directly to Scotland and
arriving within 50 miles of his final destination. I doubt he has time
to worry about Edinburgh v Glasgow squabbles.
Post by tamthehun
I guess people fly to Edinburgh simply because they know its the Capital and expect
more they dont realise Glasgow is 5 times bigger. Edinburgh is the Scottish
bagpipes and shortbread Capital!
Rather patronising. So what if Glasgow is bigger? Berlin is bigger than
Frankfurt but where is Germany's national air hub based? Rome is bigger
than Milan, but which city has the most flights? Is Atlanta the USA's
biggest city? Size of city has little to do with it. You have to look
at the bigger picture. Besides which, there's little to distinguish
between GLA and EDI in terms of their appeal to airlines and the size
of their aviation market these days. Anyone determined to see one city
as massively bigger in terms of aviation than the other isn't looking
very objectively at the reality.
Post by tamthehun
Donning my flame proof vest! Oh, I'm off to Germany on Thursday -
Sleazyjet to Stansted then O'Learyair to Friedrichshaven.........trip
report on return.....
Have a nice trip.
The EDI Guy
2006-06-21 19:10:20 UTC
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Post by Damian
Rather patronising. So what if Glasgow is bigger? Berlin is bigger than
Frankfurt but where is Germany's national air hub based?
jaypers, don't let Callum hear you think that.
Damian
2006-06-22 07:48:58 UTC
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Post by Damian
Rather patronising. So what if Glasgow is bigger? Berlin is bigger than
Frankfurt but where is Germany's national air hub based?
jaypers, don't let Callum hear you think that.
But you take the point, EDI Guy ..?

:-)
The EDI Guy
2006-06-22 08:08:47 UTC
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Post by The EDI Guy
Post by Damian
Rather patronising. So what if Glasgow is bigger? Berlin is bigger than
Frankfurt but where is Germany's national air hub based?
jaypers, don't let Callum hear you think that.
But you take the point, EDI Guy ..?
:-)
who am I to argue where Berlin is concerned?
Andrew Scotland
2006-06-21 19:49:08 UTC
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Post by tamthehun
I think most of Edinburgh's foreign tongues arrive BY BUS FROM GLASGOW
I doubt it.
Post by tamthehun
mind you it is a bit embarrassing why Mr Le Guen arrived at EDI and not
GLA due to the shortage of flights from Paris.
Embarassing for GLA perhaps, but then Paris flights have been tried in
the past. EDI has an established market. I doubt Mr Le Guen was
bothered one way or the other - he was flying directly to Scotland and
arriving within 50 miles of his final destination. I doubt he has time
to worry about Edinburgh v Glasgow squabbles.
Post by tamthehun
I guess people fly to Edinburgh simply because they know its the Capital and expect
more they dont realise Glasgow is 5 times bigger. Edinburgh is the Scottish
bagpipes and shortbread Capital!
Rather patronising. So what if Glasgow is bigger? Berlin is bigger than
Frankfurt but where is Germany's national air hub based? Rome is bigger
than Milan, but which city has the most flights? Is Atlanta the USA's
biggest city? Size of city has little to do with it. You have to look
at the bigger picture. Besides which, there's little to distinguish
between GLA and EDI in terms of their appeal to airlines and the size
of their aviation market these days. Anyone determined to see one city
as massively bigger in terms of aviation than the other isn't looking
very objectively at the reality.
Post by tamthehun
Donning my flame proof vest! Oh, I'm off to Germany on Thursday -
Sleazyjet to Stansted then O'Learyair to Friedrichshaven.........trip
report on return.....
Have a nice trip.
Capital is not everything either, despite what some will have you
belive. Ottawa is the capital of Canada, main air hub in Toronto,
Washington is the capital of the US, Canbera in Aus and ofcorse
Nedinburgh here in Scotland.
Joe Curry
2006-06-21 21:15:06 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Capital is not everything either, despite what some will have you
belive. Ottawa is the capital of Canada, main air hub in Toronto,
Washington is the capital of the US, Canbera in Aus and ofcorse
Nedinburgh here in Scotland.
That paragraph must have your tutors shaking their heads. :-(
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Kingfisher
2006-06-21 21:25:23 UTC
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Beats me how he knows the national captials. Must have been studying for
ooooh!! minutes lol.
Post by Joe Curry
Post by Andrew Scotland
Capital is not everything either, despite what some will have you
belive. Ottawa is the capital of Canada, main air hub in Toronto,
Washington is the capital of the US, Canbera in Aus and ofcorse
Nedinburgh here in Scotland.
That paragraph must have your tutors shaking their heads. :-(
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Joe Curry
2006-06-22 10:29:19 UTC
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:25:23 GMT, "Kingfisher"
Post by Kingfisher
Beats me how he knows the national captials. Must have been studying for
ooooh!! minutes lol.
Seconds even! :-)
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Damian
2006-06-22 07:51:49 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Capital is not everything either, despite what some will have you
belive. Ottawa is the capital of Canada, main air hub in Toronto,
Washington is the capital of the US, Canbera in Aus and ofcorse
Nedinburgh here in Scotland.
Indeed. It's never as black or white as "this is the biggest city" or
"this is the capital". EDI and GLA are looking increasingly equal to me
in terms of their pulling power.
Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:23:49 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Confirming that GLA is the international gateway to Scotland and EDI is
just a domestic airport with a few international flights?
Strange how EDI attracts more scheduled International passengers?

You could compare the two International central belt airports to
EDI as being LHR and GLA as LGW?
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Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:20:53 UTC
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Post by tamthehun
Just as a snapsho it' be worth comparing Glasgow Between Midnight and
0745 tomorrow and EDinburgh during the same period.
EDI isn't and never was a track suit airport... :-)
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Joe Curry
2006-06-20 06:19:19 UTC
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Post by Andrew Scotland
Not so sure about that, GLA has alot of holiday scheduled destinations
like Paphos, Larnaca, Funchal etc that EDI does not have.
You know for a minute I thought I was reading alt.airports.uk.glasgow?
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Joe Curry
2006-06-19 18:25:17 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:45:41 +0100, Jim Mason
Post by Jim Mason
Stansted welcomes new airline and three new routes
The crossposter is back. :-(
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